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			''<big>This page will be revised and split in two, as the old burg Forana will not likely have been at the same location as where the later town Vronen was. The latter may have been named after the former though.</big>''


	Forana was one of four burgs in [[West Fleeland]], in the time of [[Adela]]. It was located north of [[Alkmarum]], along the canal that was running from lake [[Alderga_and_Aldergamouth\|Alderga]] towards a mouth into the sea. In the times of [[Frethorik]], the burg was destroyed by water in what must have been a cataclysmic event.		Forana was one of four burgs in [[West Fleeland]], in the time of [[Adela]]. It was located north of [[Alkmarum]], along the canal that was running from lake [[Alderga_and_Aldergamouth\|Alderga]] towards a mouth into the sea. In the times of [[Frethorik]], the burg was destroyed by water in what must have been a cataclysmic event.

	The fragment of ~~19f~~. suggests that the burg Forana may have been located much closer to the North Sea coast, perhaps where now Egmond is, which would imply that also Al(i)kmarum may not have been located where now Alkmaar is (perhaps Alkemade?). What we know as (lost) Vronen was (also?) named Vronergeest. This may involve naming after an earlier lost place. See discussion at [[Alderga and Aldergamouth\|Alderga(mouth)]].		The fragment of '''Z-208.17''' suggests that the burg Forana may have been located much closer to the North Sea coast, perhaps where now Egmond is, which would imply that also Al(i)kmarum may not have been located where now Alkmaar is (perhaps Alkemade?). What we know as (lost) Vronen was (also?) named Vronergeest. This may involve naming after an earlier lost place. See discussion at [[Alderga and Aldergamouth\|Alderga(mouth)]].

	==Fragments==		==Fragments==
	[[File:Vroonen.jpg\|thumb\|reconstruced map of Vronen]]		[[File:Vroonen.jpg\|thumb\|reconstruced map of Vronen]]
	[[~~En 01c~~ Names ~~of the Reeves~~\|1c. Names of the Reeves]]		[[EN005.08 Names\|'''C-5.08''' Names of the Reeves]]

	:[<nowiki/>[[005]]] ''Enoch, Diwek’s man, reeve of West Fleeland and Texland, was chosen as sea king nine times. The Treasureburg, Medeasblik, Forana'' (<span class="fryas">FOR.ÁNA</span>)'', and Old Fryasburg are under his care.''		:[<nowiki/>[[005]]] ''Enoch, Diwek’s man, reeve of West Fleeland and Texland, was chosen as sea king nine times. The Treasureburg, Medeasblik, Forana'' (<span class="fryas">FOR.ÁNA</span>)'', and Old Fryasburg are under his care.''

	[[~~En 13i Along the~~ Rhine\|~~13i~~. Apollania’s Journey]]		[[EN108.28 Rhine\|'''R6-108.28''' Apollania’s Journey]]

	:[<nowiki/>[[110]]-[[111]]] ''Behind the lake, a canal had been dug, which flowed past the burg Forana'' (<span class="fryas">FOR.ÁNA</span>)'', and further through a narrow mouth into the sea. (...) South of Forana'' (<span class="fryas">FOR.ÁNA</span>)'' lies Alkmarum. (...) The burgmaid of Forana'' (<span class="fryas">FOR.ÁNA</span>) ''told me that the burg lords visit them daily, (...)''		:[<nowiki/>[[110]]-[[111]]] ''Behind the lake, a canal had been dug, which flowed past the burg Forana'' (<span class="fryas">FOR.ÁNA</span>)'', and further through a narrow mouth into the sea. (...) South of Forana'' (<span class="fryas">FOR.ÁNA</span>)'' lies Alkmarum. (...) The burgmaid of Forana'' (<span class="fryas">FOR.ÁNA</span>) ''told me that the burg lords visit them daily, (...)''
	[[~~En 14a Fryasland Swamped~~\|~~14a~~. Fryasland Swamped]] (implicit mention)		[[EN113.23 Grievances\|'''S1-113.23''' Fryasland Swamped]] (implicit mention)
	:[<nowiki/>[[116]]] ''<u>The other burgs fared the same as ours</u>; in the highlands <u>they were crushed</u> by earth, <u>in the lowlands by water</u>. Only Fryasburg at Texland was found intact, but all the land that had lain northwards was under water and still has not been reclaimed.''		:[<nowiki/>[[116]]] ''<u>The other burgs fared the same as ours</u>; in the highlands <u>they were crushed</u> by earth, <u>in the lowlands by water</u>. Only Fryasburg at Texland was found intact, but all the land that had lain northwards was under water and still has not been reclaimed.''
	[[~~En 14b The Black Men~~\|~~14b~~. Gosa: Settlement of the Black Men]]		[[EN117.20 Blacks\|'''S1-117.20''' Gosa: Settlement of the Black Men]]

	: [<nowiki/>[[117]]] ''Ten years later, the steersmen of Forana'' (<span class="fryas">FOR.ANA</span>) ''and Lydasburg came to her.''		: [<nowiki/>[[117]]] ''Ten years later, the steersmen of Forana'' (<span class="fryas">FOR.ANA</span>) ''and Lydasburg came to her.''

	[[~~En 19f Failure~~\|~~19f~~. Askar’s Failure]]		[[EN208.17 Temple\|'''Z-208.17''' Askar’s Failure]]

	:[<nowiki/>[[210]]] ''Near Egmuda, where the burg Forana'' (<span class="fryas">FOR.ÁNA</span>) ''had once stood, they built a temple, even larger and richer than Askar had built at Staveren.''		:[<nowiki/>[[210]]] ''Near Egmuda, where the burg Forana'' (<span class="fryas">FOR.ÁNA</span>) ''had once stood, they built a temple, even larger and richer than Askar had built at Staveren.''

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	Forana was one of four burgs in [[West Fleeland]], in the time of [[Adela]]. It was located north of [[Alkmarum]], along the canal that was running from lake [[Alderga]] towards a mouth into the sea. In the times of [[Frethorik]], the burg was destroyed by water in what must have been a cataclysmic event.		Forana was one of four burgs in [[West Fleeland]], in the time of [[Adela]]. It was located north of [[Alkmarum]], along the canal that was running from lake [[Alderga_and_Aldergamouth\|Alderga]] towards a mouth into the sea. In the times of [[Frethorik]], the burg was destroyed by water in what must have been a cataclysmic event.

	The fragment of 19f. suggests that the burg Forana may have been located much closer to the North Sea coast, perhaps where now Egmond is, which would imply that also Al(i)kmarum may not have been located where now Alkmaar is (perhaps Alkemade?). What we know as (lost) Vronen was (also?) named Vronergeest. This may involve naming after an earlier lost place. See discussion at [[Alderga and Aldergamouth\|Alderga(mouth)]].		The fragment of 19f. suggests that the burg Forana may have been located much closer to the North Sea coast, perhaps where now Egmond is, which would imply that also Al(i)kmarum may not have been located where now Alkmaar is (perhaps Alkemade?). What we know as (lost) Vronen was (also?) named Vronergeest. This may involve naming after an earlier lost place. See discussion at [[Alderga and Aldergamouth\|Alderga(mouth)]].

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Sources

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	Dutch: 'aan 't hoofd' means the same as 'vooraan', which is the meaning of Vronen as suggested in Oera Linda.		Dutch: 'aan 't hoofd' means the same as 'vooraan', which is the meaning of Vronen as suggested in Oera Linda.
	==Sources ==		==Sources ==
	[[File:Ecce cadit.jpg\|thumb\|engraving about Vronen dated 1648]]		{\|
			\|[[File:Location of destroyed Vronen 1303.jpg\|thumb\|Fragment from Beeldsnyder map of 1575 with former location of Vronen]]\|\|[[File:Ecce cadit.jpg\|thumb\|engraving about Vronen dated 1648]]
			\|}
	Forana can be related to [[wikipedia:Vronen\|Vronen]] (sometimes: 'Verona', 'Vroongeest' a.o.), althouth their location may not have been exactly the same. Vronen was destroyed between 13 March 1303, known from other sources, such as:		Forana can be related to [[wikipedia:Vronen\|Vronen]] (sometimes: 'Verona', 'Vroongeest' a.o.), althouth their location may not have been exactly the same. Vronen was destroyed between 13 March 1303, known from other sources, such as:

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	Forana can be related to [[wikipedia:Vronen\|Vronen]] (sometimes: 'Verona', 'Vroongeest' a.o.), althouth their location may not have been exactly the same. Vronen was destroyed between 13 March 1303, known from other sources, such as:		Forana can be related to [[wikipedia:Vronen\|Vronen]] (sometimes: 'Verona', 'Vroongeest' a.o.), althouth their location may not have been exactly the same. Vronen was destroyed between 13 March 1303, known from other sources, such as:

			*1575 [https://hdl.handle.net/21.12102/FDED8014FB8E11DF9E4D523BC2E286E2 Kaart van Noord-Holland] door Joost Jansz. Bilhamer/Beeldsnyder (zie tekstkader).
	*1588 Junius [Latin [https://www.google.nl/books/edition/Batavia/EC88AAAAcAAJ PDF original], [https://www.dbnl.org/tekst/juni002bata01_01/index.php transcript dbnl]] ''Batavia'' (pp.284-286). [[1588 Batavia (NL vert. 2011)#Vronen\|Dutch translation]]: ''Holland is een eiland'' ''- de Batavia van Hadrianus Junius (1511-1575)'', Inleiding, vertaling en annotatie door Nico de Glas (2011) uitg. Verloren.		*1588 Junius [Latin [https://www.google.nl/books/edition/Batavia/EC88AAAAcAAJ PDF original], [https://www.dbnl.org/tekst/juni002bata01_01/index.php transcript dbnl]] ''Batavia'' (pp.284-286). [[1588 Batavia (NL vert. 2011)#Vronen\|Dutch translation]]: ''Holland is een eiland'' ''- de Batavia van Hadrianus Junius (1511-1575)'', Inleiding, vertaling en annotatie door Nico de Glas (2011) uitg. Verloren.
	*1616 Goos [[https://www.dbnl.org/tekst/goos015nieu01_01/goos015nieu01_01.pdf transcript PDF]] ''Nieuw Nederlandtsch caertboeck'' (p.203)		*1616 Goos [[https://www.dbnl.org/tekst/goos015nieu01_01/goos015nieu01_01.pdf transcript PDF]] ''Nieuw Nederlandtsch caertboeck'' (p.203)
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	*1714 Simon Eikelenberg [[https://www.google.nl/books/edition/Gedaante_en_gesteldheid_van_Westvrieslan/4mzmvzM4oskC PDF]] ''Gedaante en gesteldheid van Westvriesland voor den jaare MCCC. En teffens den ondergang van het dorp Vroone''		*1714 Simon Eikelenberg [[https://www.google.nl/books/edition/Gedaante_en_gesteldheid_van_Westvrieslan/4mzmvzM4oskC PDF]] ''Gedaante en gesteldheid van Westvriesland voor den jaare MCCC. En teffens den ondergang van het dorp Vroone''
	*1742 Scharlensem, Vlytarp, Stavriensem [[https://books.google.nl/books?id=GjZBAAAAcAAJ PDF]] ''Chronyk en waaragtige beschryvinge van Friesland'' (1297: p.131)		*1742 Scharlensem, Vlytarp, Stavriensem [[https://books.google.nl/books?id=GjZBAAAAcAAJ PDF]] ''Chronyk en waaragtige beschryvinge van Friesland'' (1297: p.131)
	*1778 [https://noord-hollandsarchief.nl/beelden/beeldbank/detail/791FC6388FA04245AF76C44232C7CBE5 Vernieuwde kaart] van Noordholland en Westfriesland (...) Naar de caerte van Joost Jansz. Beeldsnyder (uit 1575).

	==Archeology==		==Archeology==

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	==Sources ==		==Sources ==
	[[File:Ecce cadit.jpg\|thumb\|engraving about Vronen dated 1648]]		[[File:Ecce cadit.jpg\|thumb\|engraving about Vronen dated 1648]]
	Forana can be related to [[wikipedia:Vronen\|Vronen]] (sometimes: 'Verona', 'Vroongeest' a.o.), althouth their location may not have been exactly the same. Vronen was destroyed between 27 March ~~1297 and~~ 1303, known from other sources, such as:		Forana can be related to [[wikipedia:Vronen\|Vronen]] (sometimes: 'Verona', 'Vroongeest' a.o.), althouth their location may not have been exactly the same. Vronen was destroyed between 13 March 1303, known from other sources, such as:

	*1588 Junius [Latin [https://www.google.nl/books/edition/Batavia/EC88AAAAcAAJ PDF original], [https://www.dbnl.org/tekst/juni002bata01_01/index.php transcript dbnl]] ''Batavia'' (pp.284-286). [[1588 Batavia (NL vert. 2011)#Vronen\|Dutch translation]]: ''Holland is een eiland'' ''- de Batavia van Hadrianus Junius (1511-1575)'', Inleiding, vertaling en annotatie door Nico de Glas (2011) uitg. Verloren.		*1588 Junius [Latin [https://www.google.nl/books/edition/Batavia/EC88AAAAcAAJ PDF original], [https://www.dbnl.org/tekst/juni002bata01_01/index.php transcript dbnl]] ''Batavia'' (pp.284-286). [[1588 Batavia (NL vert. 2011)#Vronen\|Dutch translation]]: ''Holland is een eiland'' ''- de Batavia van Hadrianus Junius (1511-1575)'', Inleiding, vertaling en annotatie door Nico de Glas (2011) uitg. Verloren.
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	*1714 Simon Eikelenberg [[https://www.google.nl/books/edition/Gedaante_en_gesteldheid_van_Westvrieslan/4mzmvzM4oskC PDF]] ''Gedaante en gesteldheid van Westvriesland voor den jaare MCCC. En teffens den ondergang van het dorp Vroone''		*1714 Simon Eikelenberg [[https://www.google.nl/books/edition/Gedaante_en_gesteldheid_van_Westvrieslan/4mzmvzM4oskC PDF]] ''Gedaante en gesteldheid van Westvriesland voor den jaare MCCC. En teffens den ondergang van het dorp Vroone''
	*1742 Scharlensem, Vlytarp, Stavriensem [[https://books.google.nl/books?id=GjZBAAAAcAAJ PDF]] ''Chronyk en waaragtige beschryvinge van Friesland'' (1297: p.131)		*1742 Scharlensem, Vlytarp, Stavriensem [[https://books.google.nl/books?id=GjZBAAAAcAAJ PDF]] ''Chronyk en waaragtige beschryvinge van Friesland'' (1297: p.131)
			*1778 [https://noord-hollandsarchief.nl/beelden/beeldbank/detail/791FC6388FA04245AF76C44232C7CBE5 Vernieuwde kaart] van Noordholland en Westfriesland (...) Naar de caerte van Joost Jansz. Beeldsnyder (uit 1575).

	==Archeology==		==Archeology==

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	Forana was one of four burgs in [[West Fleeland]], in the time of [[Adela]]. It was located north of [[Alkmarum]], along the canal that was running from lake [[Alderga]] towards a mouth into the sea. In the times of [[Frethorik]], the burg was destroyed by water in what must have been a cataclysmic event.		Forana was one of four burgs in [[West Fleeland]], in the time of [[Adela]]. It was located north of [[Alkmarum]], along the canal that was running from lake [[Alderga]] towards a mouth into the sea. In the times of [[Frethorik]], the burg was destroyed by water in what must have been a cataclysmic event.

	The fragment of 19f. suggests that the burg Forana may have been located much closer to the North Sea coast, perhaps where now Egmond is, which would imply that also ~~Almarum~~ may not have been located where now Alkmaar is..		The fragment of 19f. suggests that the burg Forana may have been located much closer to the North Sea coast, perhaps where now Egmond is, which would imply that also Al(i)kmarum may not have been located where now Alkmaar is (perhaps Alkemade?). What we know as (lost) Vronen was (also?) named Vronergeest. This may involve naming after an earlier lost place. See discussion at [[Alderga and Aldergamouth\|Alderga(mouth)]].

	==Fragments==		==Fragments==

Jan: /* Fragments */ Egmond and locations Fonara, Alkmaar

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Fragments: Egmond and locations Fonara, Alkmaar

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	Forana was one of four burgs in [[West Fleeland]], in the time of [[Adela]]. It was located north of [[Alkmarum]], along the canal that was running from lake [[Alderga]] towards a mouth into the sea. In the times of [[Frethorik]], the burg was destroyed by water in what must have been a cataclysmic event.		Forana was one of four burgs in [[West Fleeland]], in the time of [[Adela]]. It was located north of [[Alkmarum]], along the canal that was running from lake [[Alderga]] towards a mouth into the sea. In the times of [[Frethorik]], the burg was destroyed by water in what must have been a cataclysmic event.

			The fragment of 19f. suggests that the burg Forana may have been located much closer to the North Sea coast, perhaps where now Egmond is, which would imply that also Almarum may not have been located where now Alkmaar is..

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	[[En 19f Failure\|19f. Askar’s Failure]]		[[En 19f Failure\|19f. Askar’s Failure]]

	:[<nowiki/>[[210]]] ''Near ~~Egmond~~, where the burg Forana'' (<span class="fryas">FOR.ÁNA</span>) ''had once stood, they built a temple, even larger and richer than Askar had built at Staveren.''		:[<nowiki/>[[210]]] ''Near Egmuda, where the burg Forana'' (<span class="fryas">FOR.ÁNA</span>) ''had once stood, they built a temple, even larger and richer than Askar had built at Staveren.''

	==Meaning ==		==Meaning ==