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	*<span class="fryas">ALDLAND</span> - 7 times (twice with clear Á, thrice with separating dot)		*<span class="fryas">ALDLAND</span> - 7 times (twice with clear <span class="fryas">Á</span>, thrice with separating dot)
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	A relation to Plato's [https://atlantipedia.ie Atlantis] is obvious. Discussion about this may be added later.		A relation to Plato's [https://atlantipedia.ie Atlantis] is obvious. Discussion about this may be added later.

	The term used for the vanishing of Aldland is <span class="fryas">SVNK(EN)</span> from verb 'to sink'. Only once the term <span class="fryas">VRGVNGEN</span> ('perished', Dutch/German: 'vergaan'/'vergangen') is used.		The term used for the vanishing of Aldland is <span class="fryas">SVNK(EN)</span> from verb ''to sink''. Only once the term <span class="fryas">VRGVNGEN</span> (''perished'', Dutch/German: ''vergaan''/''vergangen'') is used.
	==varieties==		==varieties==
	varieties with fragment numbers as used below:		varieties with fragment numbers as used below:
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	==discussion==		==discussion==
	Of the 7 times spelling was with <span class="fryas">LD</span>, Ottema and Sandbach translated as "Atland" 4 times. This inforces the relation to Plato's Atlantis, while it hides the meaning, "old-land".		Of the 7 times spelling was with <span class="fryas">LD</span>, Ottema and Sandbach translated as ''Atland'' 4 times. This inforces the relation to Plato's Atlantis, while it hides the meaning, ''old-land''.

	It is possible that for some people <span class="fryas">ALDLAND</span> may have ment "old land", in the sense of "lost land" as a result of a big flood.		It is possible that for some people <span class="fryas">ALDLAND</span> may have ment ''old land'', in the sense of ''lost land'' as a result of a big flood.

	Nowhere do the texts suggest that the Fryas themselves came from Aldland, rather that Finda people had lived there before they became a threat. In ch. [[En 02e Frya\|'''2e Frya''']], the land that was lost when Frya died is referred to as <span class="fryas">FLÍLÁND</span> (translated as ''Fleeland'', which seems related to [[wikipedia:Vlieland\|Vlieland]]).		Nowhere do the texts suggest that the Fryas themselves came from Aldland, rather that Finda people had lived there before they became a threat. In ch. [[En 02e Frya\|'''2e Frya''']], the land that was lost when Frya died is referred to as <span class="fryas">FLÍLÁND</span> (translated as ''Fleeland'', which seems related to [[wikipedia:Vlieland\|Vlieland]]).

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Aldland and Átland are referred to 14 times in 5 spelling varieties and 9 x out of 14 times used in timeline context (X years after the sinking of A.L.).

A relation to Plato's [https://atlantipedia.ie Atlantis] is obvious. Discussion about this may be added later.

The term used for the vanishing of Aldland is SVNK(EN) from verb 'to sink'. Only once the term VRGVNGEN ('perished', Dutch/German: 'vergaan'/'vergangen') is used.
==varieties==
varieties with fragment numbers as used below:
*ÁTLAND - 7 times (twice with separating dot)

*ALDLAND - 7 times (twice with clear Á, thrice with separating dot)
==fragments==

=== timeline references ===

* [<nowiki/>[[00a]]/16] NÉI '''ÁTLAND''' SVNKEN IS. THÀT THRJA THUSOND.FJVWER HVNDRED ÀND NJUGON ÀND FJVWERTIGOSTE JÉR
* [<nowiki/>[[050]]/31] 100 ÀND 1 JÉR NÉI THAT '''ALD.LAND''' SVNKEN IS
* [<nowiki/>[[058]]/20] THAT WÉRE 100 ÀND 93 JÉR NÉI '''ÁTLAND''' SVNKEN IS
* [<nowiki/>[[062]]/08] 563 JÉR NÉI '''ALD.LAND''' SVNKEN IS
* [<nowiki/>[[075]]/08] AN THA JÉRA 1000 ÀND 5 NÉI '''ÁLDLAND''' SVNKEN IS
* [<nowiki/>[[079]]/13] 1600 ÀND 2 JÉR NÉI '''ALDLAND''' VRGVNGEN IS
* [<nowiki/>[[083]]/22] VNDERA TÍDUM THAT '''ALDLAND''' SVNKEN IS. STAND THJU FORMA SPÉKE FON THET JOL AN TOP
* [<nowiki/>[[136]]/08] 16 WÁRA 100 JÉR LÉDEN IS '''ÁTLAND''' SVNKEN
* [<nowiki/>[[141]]/20] FJUWER THUSAND JÉR NÉI '''ÁT.LAND''' SVNKEN IS

=== other uses ===
[[En 03c War Laws|'''3c. Laws for the Army and War''']]

* [<nowiki/>[[021]]/16] HJARA MODER.S BÀRTA.LÁND. MIT NOMA '''ALD.LAND''' THAT NW VNDER.NE SÉ LÉITH

''In early times, Finda’s folk lived mostly together in their mother’s native land — called ‘Aldland’, which now lies under the sea. They were thus far away, so that we had no wars. But when they became displaced and moved in to rob us, it naturally led to defence, armies, kings, and wars.''

'''[[En 07b How Aldland Sank|7b. How Aldland Sank]]'''

* [<nowiki/>[[049]]/25] '''ÁLDLAND'''. TRVCH THA STJURAR '''ÁTLAND''' HÉTEN SVNK NÍTHER

''During the whole summer, Sun had hidden behind clouds, as if she wished not to see Earth. Wind rested in his bags, causing smoke and steam to stand like pillars over houses and pools. Air thus became dreary and dull, and neither joy nor pleasure were in the hearts of the people. In the midst of this stillness, Earth began to tremble as if she were dying. There were mountains that split open to spew out fire and flames, while others sank into her bowels; and there where before had been plains, she thrust up mountains. Aldland — that the steersmen call ‘Atland’ — sank down, and the roiling sea trod over mountain and valley, so that everything was submerged. Many people were buried by landslides, and many who had escaped the fire later perished in the water.''

''Not only in the lands of Finda did mountains spew fire, but also in the Twiskland. Woods were burned one after the other and, when Wind came from there, our lands were covered with ash. Rivers changed their course and, at their mouths, new islands were formed of sand and drowned animals. Earth suffered like this for three years; when she recovered, one could see her wounds. Many lands were submerged, others had risen out of the sea, and half of the Twiskland had been deforested. Bands of Finda’s folk came roaming across the empty plains, and our dispersed people were either destroyed or joined their ranks.''

'''[[En 08c Tunis and Inka|8c. Tunis and Inka Depart]]'''

* [<nowiki/>[[057]]/17] INKA MÉNDE THAT.ER BY.SKIN WEL EN HACH DÉL FON '''ÁT.LAND''' BY WÍSA FON É.LAND VRBILÉWEN SKOLDE WÉSA

''Tunis wanted to enter the strait of the Middle Sea, in order to go and sail in the service of the rich king of the Egyptian lands, as he had done before. But Inka said he had had enough of all Finda’s folk. Inka thought that a high-lying part of Atland might possibly remain as an island, where he and his people could live in peace.''

'''[[En 08d Tunis and the Tyrians|8d. Tunis and the Tyrians]]'''

* [<nowiki/>[[058]]/02] THA '''ÁTLAND''' SVNKEN IS. WAS.T.INNA MIDDEL SÉ RA OWERA ÁK ÀRG TO GVNGEN

''When Atland sank, the shores of the Middle Sea had also been severely troubled. As a result, many people from Findasland — as well as many from Lydasland — came to our near and distant Greeklands. In turn, many of our folk moved to Lydasland. All that resulted in the loss of the mother’s rule over the near and distant Greeklands.''

==discussion==
Of the 7 times spelling was with "LD", Ottema and Sandbach translated as "Atland" 4 times. This inforces the relation to Plato's Atlantis, while it hides the meaning, "old-land".

It is possible that for some people "ALDLAND" may have ment "old land", in the sense of "lost land" as a result of a big flood.

Nowhere do the texts suggest that the Fryas themselves came from Aldland, rather that Finda people had lived there before they became a threat. In ch. [[En 02e Frya|'''2e Frya''']], the land that was lost when Frya died is referred to as FLÍLÁND (translated as ''Fleeland'', which seems related to [[wikipedia:Vlieland|Vlieland]]).

==notes==
<references />
[[Category:Word Studies]]

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	A relation to Plato's [https://atlantipedia.ie Atlantis] is obvious. Discussion about this may be added later.		A relation to Plato's [https://atlantipedia.ie Atlantis] is obvious. Discussion about this may be added later.

	The term used for the vanishing of Aldland is SVNK(EN) from verb 'to sink'. Only once the term VRGVNGEN ('perished', Dutch/German: 'vergaan'/'vergangen') is used.		The term used for the vanishing of Aldland is <span class="fryas">SVNK(EN)</span> from verb 'to sink'. Only once the term <span class="fryas">VRGVNGEN</span> ('perished', Dutch/German: 'vergaan'/'vergangen') is used.
	==varieties==		==varieties==
	varieties with fragment numbers as used below:		varieties with fragment numbers as used below:
	*ÁTLAND - 7 times (twice with separating dot)		*<span class="fryas">ÁTLAND</span> - 7 times (twice with separating dot)

	*ALDLAND - 7 times (twice with clear Á, thrice with separating dot)		*<span class="fryas">ALDLAND</span> - 7 times (twice with clear Á, thrice with separating dot)
	==fragments==		==fragments==

	=== timeline references ===		=== timeline references ===

	* [<nowiki/>[[00a]]/16] <u>NÉI '''ÁTLAND''' SVNKEN IS</u>. THÀT THRJA THUSOND.FJVWER HVNDRED ÀND NJUGON ÀND FJVWERTIGOSTE <u>JÉR</u>		* [<nowiki/>[[00a]]/16] <span class="fryas"><u>NÉI '''ÁTLAND''' SVNKEN IS</u>. THÀT THRJA THUSOND.FJVWER HVNDRED ÀND NJUGON ÀND FJVWERTIGOSTE <u>JÉR</u></span>
	* [<nowiki/>[[050]]/31] 100 ÀND 1 <u>JÉR</u> <u>NÉI THAT '''ALD.LAND''' SVNKEN IS</u>		* [<nowiki/>[[050]]/31] <span class="fryas">100 ÀND 1 <u>JÉR</u> <u>NÉI THAT '''ALD.LAND''' SVNKEN IS</u></span>
	* [<nowiki/>[[058]]/20] THAT WÉRE 100 ÀND 93 <u>JÉR</u> <u>NÉI '''ÁTLAND''' SVNKEN IS</u>		* [<nowiki/>[[058]]/20] <span class="fryas">THAT WÉRE 100 ÀND 93 <u>JÉR</u> <u>NÉI '''ÁTLAND''' SVNKEN IS</u></span>
	* [<nowiki/>[[062]]/08] 563 <u>JÉR</u> <u>NÉI '''ALD.LAND''' SVNKEN IS</u>		* [<nowiki/>[[062]]/08] <span class="fryas">563 <u>JÉR</u> <u>NÉI '''ALD.LAND''' SVNKEN IS</u></span>
	* [<nowiki/>[[075]]/08] AN THA <u>JÉRA</u> 1000 ÀND 5 <u>NÉI '''ÁLDLAND''' SVNKEN IS</u>		* [<nowiki/>[[075]]/08] <span class="fryas">AN THA <u>JÉRA</u> 1000 ÀND 5 <u>NÉI '''ÁLDLAND''' SVNKEN IS</u></span>
	* [<nowiki/>[[079]]/13] 1600 ÀND 2 <u>JÉR</u> <u>NÉI '''ALDLAND''' VRGVNGEN IS</u>		* [<nowiki/>[[079]]/13] <span class="fryas">1600 ÀND 2 <u>JÉR</u> <u>NÉI '''ALDLAND''' VRGVNGEN IS</u></span>
	* [<nowiki/>[[083]]/22] <u>VNDERA TÍDUM THAT '''ALDLAND''' SVNKEN IS</u>. STAND THJU FORMA SPÉKE FON THET JOL AN TOP		* [<nowiki/>[[083]]/22] <span class="fryas"><u>VNDERA TÍDUM THAT '''ALDLAND''' SVNKEN IS</u>. STAND THJU FORMA SPÉKE FON THET JOL AN TOP</span>
	* [<nowiki/>[[136]]/08] 16 WÁRA 100 <u>JÉR LÉDEN IS '''ÁTLAND''' SVNKEN</u>		* [<nowiki/>[[136]]/08] <span class="fryas">16 WÁRA 100 <u>JÉR LÉDEN IS '''ÁTLAND''' SVNKEN</u></span>
	* [<nowiki/>[[141]]/20] FJUWER THUSAND <u>JÉR</u> <u>NÉI '''ÁT.LAND''' SVNKEN IS</u>		* [<nowiki/>[[141]]/20] <span class="fryas">FJUWER THUSAND <u>JÉR</u> <u>NÉI '''ÁT.LAND''' SVNKEN IS</u></span>

	=== other uses ===		=== other uses ===
	[[En 03c War Laws\|'''3c. Laws for the Army and War''']]		[[En 03c War Laws\|'''3c. Laws for the Army and War''']]

	* [<nowiki/>[[021]]/16] HJARA MODER.S BÀRTA.LÁND. MIT NOMA '''ALD.LAND''' THAT NW VNDER.NE SÉ LÉITH		* [<nowiki/>[[021]]/16] <span class="fryas">HJARA MODER.S BÀRTA.LÁND. MIT NOMA '''ALD.LAND''' THAT NW VNDER.NE SÉ LÉITH</span>

	''In early times, Finda’s folk lived mostly together in <u>their mother’s native land — called ‘Aldland’, which now lies under the sea</u>. They were thus far away, so that we had no wars. But when they became displaced and moved in to rob us, it naturally led to defence, armies, kings, and wars.''		''In early times, Finda’s folk lived mostly together in <u>their mother’s native land — called ‘Aldland’, which now lies under the sea</u>. They were thus far away, so that we had no wars. But when they became displaced and moved in to rob us, it naturally led to defence, armies, kings, and wars.''
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	'''[[En 07b How Aldland Sank\|7b. How Aldland Sank]]'''		'''[[En 07b How Aldland Sank\|7b. How Aldland Sank]]'''

	* [<nowiki/>[[049]]/25] '''ÁLDLAND'''. TRVCH THA STJURAR '''ÁTLAND''' HÉTEN SVNK NÍTHER		* [<nowiki/>[[049]]/25] <span class="fryas">'''ÁLDLAND'''. TRVCH THA STJURAR '''ÁTLAND''' HÉTEN SVNK NÍTHER</span>

	''During the whole summer, Sun had hidden behind clouds, as if she wished not to see Earth. Wind rested in his bags, causing smoke and steam to stand like pillars over houses and pools. Air thus became dreary and dull, and neither joy nor pleasure were in the hearts of the people. In the midst of this stillness, Earth began to tremble as if she were dying. There were mountains that split open to spew out fire and flames, while others sank into her bowels; and there where before had been plains, she thrust up mountains. <u>Aldland — that the steersmen call ‘Atland’ — sank down</u>, and the roiling sea trod over mountain and valley, so that everything was submerged. Many people were buried by landslides, and many who had escaped the fire later perished in the water.''		''During the whole summer, Sun had hidden behind clouds, as if she wished not to see Earth. Wind rested in his bags, causing smoke and steam to stand like pillars over houses and pools. Air thus became dreary and dull, and neither joy nor pleasure were in the hearts of the people. In the midst of this stillness, Earth began to tremble as if she were dying. There were mountains that split open to spew out fire and flames, while others sank into her bowels; and there where before had been plains, she thrust up mountains. <u>Aldland — that the steersmen call ‘Atland’ — sank down</u>, and the roiling sea trod over mountain and valley, so that everything was submerged. Many people were buried by landslides, and many who had escaped the fire later perished in the water.''
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	'''[[En 08c Tunis and Inka\|8c. Tunis and Inka Depart]]'''		'''[[En 08c Tunis and Inka\|8c. Tunis and Inka Depart]]'''

	* [<nowiki/>[[057]]/17] INKA MÉNDE THAT.ER BY.SKIN WEL EN HACH DÉL FON '''ÁT.LAND''' BY WÍSA FON É.LAND VRBILÉWEN SKOLDE WÉSA		* [<nowiki/>[[057]]/17] <span class="fryas">INKA MÉNDE THAT.ER BY.SKIN WEL EN HACH DÉL FON '''ÁT.LAND''' BY WÍSA FON É.LAND VRBILÉWEN SKOLDE WÉSA</span>

	''Tunis wanted to enter the strait of the Middle Sea, in order to go and sail in the service of the rich king of the Egyptian lands, as he had done before. But Inka said he had had enough of all Finda’s folk. <u>Inka thought that a high-lying part of Atland might possibly remain as an island</u>, where he and his people could live in peace.''		''Tunis wanted to enter the strait of the Middle Sea, in order to go and sail in the service of the rich king of the Egyptian lands, as he had done before. But Inka said he had had enough of all Finda’s folk. <u>Inka thought that a high-lying part of Atland might possibly remain as an island</u>, where he and his people could live in peace.''
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	'''[[En 08d Tunis and the Tyrians\|8d. Tunis and the Tyrians]]'''		'''[[En 08d Tunis and the Tyrians\|8d. Tunis and the Tyrians]]'''

	* [<nowiki/>[[058]]/02] THA '''ÁTLAND''' SVNKEN IS. WAS.T.INNA MIDDEL SÉ RA OWERA ÁK ÀRG TO GVNGEN		* [<nowiki/>[[058]]/02] <span class="fryas">THA '''ÁTLAND''' SVNKEN IS. WAS.T.INNA MIDDEL SÉ RA OWERA ÁK ÀRG TO GVNGEN</span>

	''<u>When Atland sank, the shores of the Middle Sea had also been severely troubled</u>. As a result, many people from Findasland — as well as many from Lydasland — came to our near and distant Greeklands. In turn, many of our folk moved to Lydasland. All that resulted in the loss of the mother’s rule over the near and distant Greeklands.''		''<u>When Atland sank, the shores of the Middle Sea had also been severely troubled</u>. As a result, many people from Findasland — as well as many from Lydasland — came to our near and distant Greeklands. In turn, many of our folk moved to Lydasland. All that resulted in the loss of the mother’s rule over the near and distant Greeklands.''

	==discussion==		==discussion==
	Of the 7 times spelling was with "LD", Ottema and Sandbach translated as "Atland" 4 times. This inforces the relation to Plato's Atlantis, while it hides the meaning, "old-land".		Of the 7 times spelling was with <span class="fryas">LD</span>, Ottema and Sandbach translated as "Atland" 4 times. This inforces the relation to Plato's Atlantis, while it hides the meaning, "old-land".

	It is possible that for some people "ALDLAND" may have ment "old land", in the sense of "lost land" as a result of a big flood.		It is possible that for some people <span class="fryas">ALDLAND</span> may have ment "old land", in the sense of "lost land" as a result of a big flood.

	Nowhere do the texts suggest that the Fryas themselves came from Aldland, rather that Finda people had lived there before they became a threat. In ch. [[En 02e Frya\|'''2e Frya''']], the land that was lost when Frya died is referred to as FLÍLÁND (translated as ''Fleeland'', which seems related to [[wikipedia:Vlieland\|Vlieland]]).		Nowhere do the texts suggest that the Fryas themselves came from Aldland, rather that Finda people had lived there before they became a threat. In ch. [[En 02e Frya\|'''2e Frya''']], the land that was lost when Frya died is referred to as <span class="fryas">FLÍLÁND</span> (translated as ''Fleeland'', which seems related to [[wikipedia:Vlieland\|Vlieland]]).

	==notes==		==notes==
	<references />		<references />
	[[Category:Word Studies]]		[[Category:Word Studies]]