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 *1876 (March) '''Deventer Courant''' <small>[transl. Ott 2020;original: [[1876 Ottema Dev. Crt.|'''JJK 89''' ''De Deventer courant en het Oera Linda Bok'']]]</small>
 *1876 (Oct.) '''Manuscript existed before 1600''' <small>[transl. Ott 2020;original: [[1876 Ottema Thet OLB|'''JJK 129''' ''Het handschrift van Thet Oera Linda Bok heeft al langen tijd vóór het jaar 1600 bestaan'']]]</small>
-*1877 (March) '''Reply to ''Who wrote ...?''''' <small>[transl. Ott 2020;original: [[1878 Ottema A en O|'''JJK 162''' ''(Antwoord op) Wie heeft het O.L.B. geschreven?'']]]</small>
+*1877 (March) '''Reply to ''Who wrote the Oera Linda Book?''''' <small>[transl. Ott 2020;original: [[1878 Ottema A en O|'''JJK 162''' ''(Antwoord op) Wie heeft het O.L.B. geschreven?'']]]</small>
-*1877 (Sept.) '''Reply to ''The Punjab Colony...''''' <small>[transl. Ott 2020;original: [[1878 Ottema A en O|'''JJK 185''' ''Bespr. van: De Pandschâb Kolonie van het Oera Linda Bok, door J.F. Berk'']]]</small>
+*1877 (Sept.) '''Reply to ''The Punjab Colony of the Oera Linda Book''''' <small>[transl. Ott 2020;original: [[1878 Ottema A en O|'''JJK 185''' ''Bespr. van: De Pandschâb Kolonie van het Oera Linda Bok, door J.F. Berk'']]]</small>
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-=== Reply to ''Who wrote ...?'' ===
+=== Reply to ''Who wrote the Oera Linda Book?'' ===
-=== Reply to The Punjab Colony... ===
+In his correspondence with me, he often used Old Frisian words, which he then wrote in Old Frisian <small>[the wheel-based]</small> letters.
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	=== Manuscript existed before 1600 ===		=== Manuscript existed before 1600 ===
			This short essay was first published in the ''Friesche Courant'' (5-10-1876) and was added to the second edition of Ottema's OL translation (1876).
			'''The Manuscript of the Oera Linda-book existed long before 1600 CE.'''

			The pagination of the manuscript has been added to it in a later age. The oldest manuscripts were unpaged, and even the oldest products of the printing press (incunabula), e.g. the first edition of the Old Frisan Landlaws (Jus Municipale Frisonum), so-called Anjumer edition, 1466, has only an indication of the order of the printing sheets (signature) by means of letters, but no page numbers.

			In the Latin edition of Claudii Ptolemaei Geographia, by Bilibaldus Pirckheymerus, in Strasbourg 1525, folio, there is still no pageature;

			not even in the Edition of Ausonii Opera in Bordeaux 1591, quarto.

			The numbers and pagination also do not correspond to the forms used in the manuscript itself and depicted on the second image. They have, however, the form that was used in writing before the end of the 16th century. But in their composition they show a phenomenon that is strange to us, namely that the hundreds and tens are separated by the word ''and'' or a hyphen. Just as one says speaking: ''one hundred and one'', that is also written here. 100 and 1, 100-2, 100-3, etc. to 100-99; followed by 200, 200 and 1, 200-2, 200-3, etc. up to 200 and 10 (being the last page).

			That way of writing numbers is also encountered here and there in the manuscript, e.g.

			* 100 and 1 years;
			* in the year 1000 and 5;
			* 1600 and 2 years;
			* since 100 and 8 years.

			This particularity gives us an indication of the time when that pagination was done. For we find that notation in the Cronijck van Hollant, etc. until Delft, 1591 (Divisie kronijk), e.g.: When the world existed iiiMiiC and Lxxv years; before the birth of Christ MCC and xxiii years.

			In the year of our Lord vC and Lxxxix.

			In the year viiC and Lxxii. (700 and 72).

			Anno viiiC and xxvii. (800 and 27). etc.

			—

			The Cronyke van Vrieslant, by Ockam Scharlensem, etc. (Andreas Cornelius Stavriensis) from Leeuwarden, 1597, folio, consequently writes:

			Anno 300.96. The year was 300.93. Anno 1000 and 15, etc.

			—

			In later books you will no longer find this comprehensive way of recording numbers. But it clear that it was still known and in use by the end of the 16th century.

			One can safely conclude from this that the pagination of the manuscript also dates from the late 16th century.

			In other words, ''the manuscript already existed before the year 1600''.

			But from that pagination we learn more peculiarities about the manuscript.

			The last page is not marked 200-10, in the same way as the previous one; but in full 200 and 10. This proves that the man who paged the pages had finished his task here, and that this page was the last of what at the time remained of the manuscript, meaning that the end of the manuscript had already been lost before that time.

			This could not have happened if the manuscript had not fallen out of the cover ''a long time earlier'' by the wear and tear of the threads and had been lying there in loose sections and sheets.

			The concern to prevent these loose sheets from becoming disordered has certainly caused the former owner to provide them with a pagination.

			This runs regularly to p. 168, then continues, p. 189 to 192, and finally from p. 195 to 210. What is lacking in between to me seems to have been lost in later times, so that the seven first quarters are now complete, of the eighth only the last two sheets p. 189—92, and the eight middle pages of the ninth section p. 125—210.

			—

			The main conclusion that follows is that the manuscript, as long as it was stuck in its cover, was still unpaged, and that Hidde Oera Linda did not number the pages. He did not have to do that either, because sewing the booklets into one another himself, he knew how the sections followed one another.

			If he had given the manuscript to a binder to sew it in, he would have had to provide the sections with a sequential letter or other mark. But he did not do this either, and this again confirms my assumption already made elsewhere (Preface p. XII), that Hidde Oera Linda has hand-sewn the manuscript in a cover. <small>[Note Ott: the sheets could already have been sewn together before Hidde started writing the pages.]</small>

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	*1871 '''Reply to Van den Bergh''' <small>[transl. Ott 2020; original: [[1871 Ottema voorwerk\|'''JJK 17''' ''Adela's boek'']]]</small>		*1871 '''Reply to Van den Bergh''' <small>[transl. Ott 2020; original: [[1871 Ottema voorwerk\|'''JJK 17''' ''Adela's boek'']]]</small>
	*1873 '''Germanic peoples''' <small>[transl. Ott 2020; original: [[1878 Ottema A en O\|'''JJK 36a''' ''Germanen'']]]</small>		*1873 '''Germanic peoples''' <small>[transl. Ott 2020; original: [[1878 Ottema A en O\|'''JJK 36a''' ''Germanen'']]]</small>
	*1874 Royal ~~Acad~~. []		*1874 '''The Royal Academy''' and '''Open Letter by L.F. Over de Linden''' <small>[transl. Ott 2020;original: [[1874 Ottema Kon. Akad.\|'''JJK 51''' ''De Koninklijke Akademie en het Oera Linda Bok'']]]</small>
	*1876 Deventer Crt.		*1876 '''Deventer Courant''' <small>[transl. Ott 2020;original: [[1876 Ottema Dev. Crt.\|'''JJK 89''' ''De Deventer courant en het Oera Linda Bok'']]]</small>
	*1876 MS existed before 1600		*1876 '''Manuscript existed before 1600''' <small>[transl. Ott 2020;original: [[1876 Ottema Thet OLB\|'''JJK 129''' ''Het handschrift van Thet Oera Linda Bok heeft al langen tijd vóór het jaar 1600 bestaan'']]]</small>
	*1877 ~~Punjab Colony~~		*1877 '''Reply to ''Who wrote ...?''''' <small>[transl. Ott 2020;original: [[1878 Ottema A en O\|'''JJK 162''' ''(Antwoord op) Wie heeft het O.L.B. geschreven?'']]]</small>
	*1877 Reply to ''~~Who wrote~~ ...?''		*1877 '''Reply to ''The Punjab Colony...''''' <small>[transl. Ott 2020;original: [[1878 Ottema A en O\|'''JJK 185''' ''Bespr. van: De Pandschâb Kolonie van het Oera Linda Bok, door J.F. Berk'']]]</small>

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	Royal Ac.
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			=== Open Letter by L.F. Over de Linden ===

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	~~Dev.Crt.~~

	MS existed		=== Deventer Courant ===

			=== Manuscript existed before 1600 ===

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	~~Pandschap~~

	~~reply Wie heeft~~?		=== Reply to ''Who wrote ...?'' ===

			=== Reply to The Punjab Colony... ===
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	Leeuwarden, October 11, 1871. Dr. [[Jan G. Ottema\|J.G. Ottema]].		Leeuwarden, October 11, 1871. Dr. [[Jan G. Ottema\|J.G. Ottema]].

			— — —

	Against this testimony from Dr. Ottema, we contrast the testimony of the same Dr. Ottema, in [[1871 Ottema voorwerk\|his report to the Friesch Genootschap]], p. 238:<blockquote>The other, Neptune, the God of the Mediterranean Sea, appears here to have been, when living, a Frisian Viking, or sea-king, whose home was Alderga (Ouddorp, near Alkmaar). His name was Teunis, called familiarly by his followers Neef [cousin or kinsman] Teunis, who had chosen the Mediterranean as the destination of his expeditions, and would have been deified by the Tyrians at the time when the Phenician navigators began to extend their voyages so remarkably, sailing to Frisia in order to obtain British tin, northern iron, and Baltic amber [...]</blockquote>''Qui diable est ici la dupe?'' [Who the hell is the fool here?] Maybe you should add what follows: ''ils sont tous dans le secret?'' [are they all in the secret?; <small>quotes from [[wikipedia:The_Barber_of_Seville_(play)\|''Le Barbier de Seville'' (1773)]] by Beaumarchais.</small>]		Against this testimony from Dr. Ottema, we contrast the testimony of the same Dr. Ottema, in [[1871 Ottema voorwerk\|his report to the Friesch Genootschap]], p. 238:<blockquote>The other, Neptune, the God of the Mediterranean Sea, appears here to have been, when living, a Frisian Viking, or sea-king, whose home was Alderga (Ouddorp, near Alkmaar). His name was Teunis, called familiarly by his followers Neef [cousin or kinsman] Teunis, who had chosen the Mediterranean as the destination of his expeditions, and would have been deified by the Tyrians at the time when the Phenician navigators began to extend their voyages so remarkably, sailing to Frisia in order to obtain British tin, northern iron, and Baltic amber [...]</blockquote>''Qui diable est ici la dupe?'' [Who the hell is the fool here?] Maybe you should add what follows: ''ils sont tous dans le secret?'' [are they all in the secret?; <small>quotes from [[wikipedia:The_Barber_of_Seville_(play)\|''Le Barbier de Seville'' (1773)]] by Beaumarchais.</small>]

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	Dr. [[Jan G. Ottema\|J.G. Ottema]].		Dr. [[Jan G. Ottema\|J.G. Ottema]].

	Against this testimony from Dr. Ottema, we contrast the testimony of the same Dr. Ottema, in [[1871 Ottema voorwerk\|his report to the Friesch Genootschap]], p. 238:<blockquote>The other, Neptune, the God of the Mediterranean Sea, appears here to have been, when living, a Frisian Viking, or sea-king, whose home was Alderga (Ouddorp, near Alkmaar). His name was Teunis, called familiarly by his followers Neef [cousin or kinsman] Teunis, who had chosen the Mediterranean as the destination of his expeditions, and would have been deified by the Tyrians at the time when the Phenician navigators began to extend their voyages so remarkably, sailing to Frisia in order to obtain British tin, northern iron, and Baltic amber [...]</blockquote>''Qui diable est ici la dupe?'' [Who the hell is the fool here?] Maybe you should add what follows: ''ils sont tous dans le secret?'' [are they all in the secret?; <small>quotes from [[wikipedia:The_Barber_of_Seville_(play)\|''Le Barbier de Seville'' (1773)]] by Beaumarchais.</small>]

	~~Nederlandsche Spectator editor~~

	=== Reply to Van den Bergh: ''Adela's Book.'' ===		=== Reply to Van den Bergh: ''Adela's Book.'' ===
	This reply to an article by mr. [https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurens_Philippe_Charles_van_den_Bergh L.Ph.C. Van den Bergh] <small>[''Het onlangs ontdekte friesche handschrift''; in ''NL Spectator''; 7-10-1871 p.311]</small> appeared in the ''Nederlandsche Spectator'' of 14-10-1871 (p.322-323), titled ''[[1871 Ottema voorwerk\|Adela's Boek]]''.		This reply to an article by mr. [https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurens_Philippe_Charles_van_den_Bergh L.Ph.C. Van den Bergh] <small>[''Het onlangs ontdekte friesche handschrift''; in ''NL Spectator''; 7-10-1871 p.311]</small> appeared in the ''Nederlandsche Spectator'' of 14-10-1871 (p.322-323), titled ''[[1871 Ottema voorwerk\|Adela's Boek]]''.
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	Leeuwarden, October 11, 1871. Dr. [[Jan G. Ottema\|J.G. Ottema]].		Leeuwarden, October 11, 1871. Dr. [[Jan G. Ottema\|J.G. Ottema]].

			Against this testimony from Dr. Ottema, we contrast the testimony of the same Dr. Ottema, in [[1871 Ottema voorwerk\|his report to the Friesch Genootschap]], p. 238:<blockquote>The other, Neptune, the God of the Mediterranean Sea, appears here to have been, when living, a Frisian Viking, or sea-king, whose home was Alderga (Ouddorp, near Alkmaar). His name was Teunis, called familiarly by his followers Neef [cousin or kinsman] Teunis, who had chosen the Mediterranean as the destination of his expeditions, and would have been deified by the Tyrians at the time when the Phenician navigators began to extend their voyages so remarkably, sailing to Frisia in order to obtain British tin, northern iron, and Baltic amber [...]</blockquote>''Qui diable est ici la dupe?'' [Who the hell is the fool here?] Maybe you should add what follows: ''ils sont tous dans le secret?'' [are they all in the secret?; <small>quotes from [[wikipedia:The_Barber_of_Seville_(play)\|''Le Barbier de Seville'' (1773)]] by Beaumarchais.</small>]

			Nederlandsche Spectator editor

	==1873==		==1873==

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	Dr. [[Jan G. Ottema\|J.G. Ottema]].		Dr. [[Jan G. Ottema\|J.G. Ottema]].

	Against this testimony from Dr. Ottema, we contrast the testimony of the same Dr. Ottema, in his report to the Friesch Genootschap, p. 238:<blockquote>The other, Neptune, the God of the Mediterranean Sea, appears here to have been, when living, a Frisian Viking, or sea-king, whose home was Alderga (Ouddorp, near Alkmaar). His name was Teunis, called familiarly by his followers Neef [cousin or kinsman] Teunis, who had chosen the Mediterranean as the destination of his expeditions, and would have been deified by the Tyrians at the time when the Phenician navigators began to extend their voyages so remarkably, sailing to Frisia in order to obtain British tin, northern iron, and Baltic amber [...]</blockquote>''Qui diable est ici la dupe?'' [Who the hell is the fool here?] Maybe you should add what follows: ''ils sont tous dans le secret?'' [are they all in the secret?]		Against this testimony from Dr. Ottema, we contrast the testimony of the same Dr. Ottema, in [[1871 Ottema voorwerk\|his report to the Friesch Genootschap]], p. 238:<blockquote>The other, Neptune, the God of the Mediterranean Sea, appears here to have been, when living, a Frisian Viking, or sea-king, whose home was Alderga (Ouddorp, near Alkmaar). His name was Teunis, called familiarly by his followers Neef [cousin or kinsman] Teunis, who had chosen the Mediterranean as the destination of his expeditions, and would have been deified by the Tyrians at the time when the Phenician navigators began to extend their voyages so remarkably, sailing to Frisia in order to obtain British tin, northern iron, and Baltic amber [...]</blockquote>''Qui diable est ici la dupe?'' [Who the hell is the fool here?] Maybe you should add what follows: ''ils sont tous dans le secret?'' [are they all in the secret?; <small>quotes from [[wikipedia:The_Barber_of_Seville_(play)\|''Le Barbier de Seville'' (1773)]] by Beaumarchais.</small>]

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	Dr. [[Jan G. Ottema\|J.G. Ottema]].		Dr. [[Jan G. Ottema\|J.G. Ottema]].

			Against this testimony from Dr. Ottema, we contrast the testimony of the same Dr. Ottema, in his report to the Friesch Genootschap, p. 238:<blockquote>The other, Neptune, the God of the Mediterranean Sea, appears here to have been, when living, a Frisian Viking, or sea-king, whose home was Alderga (Ouddorp, near Alkmaar). His name was Teunis, called familiarly by his followers Neef [cousin or kinsman] Teunis, who had chosen the Mediterranean as the destination of his expeditions, and would have been deified by the Tyrians at the time when the Phenician navigators began to extend their voyages so remarkably, sailing to Frisia in order to obtain British tin, northern iron, and Baltic amber [...]</blockquote>''Qui diable est ici la dupe?'' [Who the hell is the fool here?] Maybe you should add what follows: ''ils sont tous dans le secret?'' [are they all in the secret?]

			Nederlandsche Spectator editor

	=== Reply to Van den Bergh: ''Adela's Book.'' ===		=== Reply to Van den Bergh: ''Adela's Book.'' ===

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-Translations into English of:
+Translations into English of the following publications by Dr. [[Jan G. Ottema|J.G. Ottema]] (also see his [[Ottema bibliografie|bibliography]]):
-*1871 Reply to Colmjon
+*1871 '''Reply to Colmjon''' <small>[transl. Ott 2020; original: [[1871 Ottema voorwerk|'''JJK 9''' ''Thet Bok thêra Adela folstar'']]]</small>
-*1871 Reply to vd Bergh
+*1871 '''Reply to Van den Bergh''' <small>[transl. Ott 2020; original: [[1871 Ottema voorwerk|'''JJK 17''' ''Adela's boek'']]]</small>
-*1873 '''Germanic peoples''' <small>[transl. Ott 2020; original: [[1878 Ottema A en O|''Germanen'']]]</small>
+*1873 '''Germanic peoples''' <small>[transl. Ott 2020; original: [[1878 Ottema A en O|'''JJK 36a''' ''Germanen'']]]</small>
-*1874 Royal Acad.
+*1874 Royal Acad. []
 *1876 Deventer Crt.
 *1876 MS existed before 1600
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-Colmjon reply
+ This reply to a newspaper article by bibliothecary and archivist [[Gerben Colmjon]] (''Nog iets over het Oud Friesch Handschrift'' 12-9-1871) appeared in the ''Leeuwarder Couran''t of 19-9-1871, titled ''Thet Bok thêra Adela folstar''. The same article was published 27-9 in the ''Heldersche Courant'', under the title ''Friesch handschrift in het bezit van den Heer C. Over de Linden te Helder''. A further reply by Colmjon (8 pages) was published as brochure 25-9-1871.
-vd Bergh reply
+=== Reply to Colmjon: ''The Book of Adela-followers.'' ===
 ==1873==
 === Germanic peoples ===